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[laughter] for obama, the 1960s ran until the early 1980s until success of ronald reagan became clear. as a young man, obama suffered a kind of '60s envy. he missed out on the civil rights movement, and on the new left. but he determined to experience them vicariously. and so he tried drugs, as he confesses in his autobiography. he rallied against south africa, he gave political speeches, he community organized, he tried to get in touch with the black experience, and in general, he searched for meaning to use a formulation that he would not reject. in other words, he very much shared the '60s mood that everyone must find his own meaning in life. and find his own way in life. because there's no meaning out there, there's no objective source of meaning that one can point to or rely on. he shared the right to make history rather than to let it happen or trust it to redeem in justice in the own good time. and as well obama, i think, shared the post modernist suspicious that universal values, as he sometimes calls them, are not universal, and probably not true in any objective sense. one c
[laughter] for obama, the 1960s ran until the early 1980s until success of ronald reagan became clear. as a young man, obama suffered a kind of '60s envy. he missed out on the civil rights movement, and on the new left. but he determined to experience them vicariously. and so he tried drugs, as he confesses in his autobiography. he rallied against south africa, he gave political speeches, he community organized, he tried to get in touch with the black experience, and in general, he searched for...
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reagan do. we balanced the budget. we reduced taxes and reduced marginal rights on taxes. we have a our regulatory environment under control but they are not duplicative. those are the things we need to get america moving again. that is what romney talks about. when sigh him do that, i feel pretty good about because i think he is on the right path. you may not hear it through the mega phone of national media and he should do it more. >> paul: i paid attention to your race in 2010. you ran against a candidate ted strickland very much like the president is, tried to associate with you wall street and big banks. you beat him. how can mitt romney beat a campaign like that in ohio? >> he's got to be here paul. he was in high hometown not long ago. he had an overflow crowd that was amazing. i've been around a lot of national campaigns. when you are out with him. you see the enthusiasm. look the most important thing for candidate running for president is to get people to understand that he understands
reagan do. we balanced the budget. we reduced taxes and reduced marginal rights on taxes. we have a our regulatory environment under control but they are not duplicative. those are the things we need to get america moving again. that is what romney talks about. when sigh him do that, i feel pretty good about because i think he is on the right path. you may not hear it through the mega phone of national media and he should do it more. >> paul: i paid attention to your race in 2010. you ran...
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when ronald reagan said that latinos were naturally republican, he met that they were aspirational and socially conservative. mitt romney seems to turn them off. he backed a law in arizona which some said was racial profiling. he called for a high-tech fence along the mexican border and struck a hard note talking about illegal immigrants. >> the answer is self deportation, people decide that they can do better work here because they don't have legal documentation. >> the campaign has put on a burst of speed, intensely targeting latinos, especially in swing states like colorado. the latest poll gives obama 70% of the hispanic vote. romney has backpedaled and the written policy with a much softer focus on illegal immigration. some say this is a chance to touch home the new message. >> throw away the rhetoric, the language that turns people off, and talk about it in a real leadership way. >> as night falls, the intense preparations are at an end. they will soon face each other for a debate but some say will shake up the race for the white house. >> so, how significant is tonight's debate?
when ronald reagan said that latinos were naturally republican, he met that they were aspirational and socially conservative. mitt romney seems to turn them off. he backed a law in arizona which some said was racial profiling. he called for a high-tech fence along the mexican border and struck a hard note talking about illegal immigrants. >> the answer is self deportation, people decide that they can do better work here because they don't have legal documentation. >> the campaign...
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when i was in the federal government, ronald reagan was president and reagan said the government is not the solution. government is the problem. and he thought it was very funny to say oh, i'm from government and i'm here to help you. that was a good laugh line at a republican meeting. i think the democrats, despite what is going on, have stretched out their plans, barack obama agrees that there would be no taxes in the new budget, just spending cuts. the house democrats and house republicans would not accept that. so i don't think it's the same on both sides, and i think you ought to suggest them also in oklahoma. [laughter] >> i do suggest them in oklahoma and everywhere, all over the country. i think people are going to have different ideas about which party is worse than where they came from. certainly, you mentioned obama's outreach, and i think he did find an outreach. when he did, nancy pelosi said no, we won the election. it is kind of you know, it's kind of hard. some people are saying totally outrageous and nasty things. what we have to do is break it down where people like th
when i was in the federal government, ronald reagan was president and reagan said the government is not the solution. government is the problem. and he thought it was very funny to say oh, i'm from government and i'm here to help you. that was a good laugh line at a republican meeting. i think the democrats, despite what is going on, have stretched out their plans, barack obama agrees that there would be no taxes in the new budget, just spending cuts. the house democrats and house republicans...
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ronald reagan in 1984 lost his train of thought if his first statement. gwen: on the pacific coast highway. >> right. and it gave rise to questions as if he was too old. this was a case that i thought from start to finish governor romney was the dominant character in the debate. he was much more forceful so in that sense its it was a much more decisive ca of seby someb losing. >> there wasn't that single moment that memorable you're no jack kennedy kind of putdown. it was very strong substantive. in fact, the president said this was afic he might not have thought that later whether he got to reviews. >> if you look at romney's opening statements, he touched alheeed to. he talked about voters in ohio and nevada. i feel your pain. gwen: told stories. >> told stories. he did the five things he's running on. he talked about the president's past. respectfully said it wasn't going in the right direction. then 0 minutes later after a good cut and thrust between the two of them he delivered a near-flawless closing argument as if he were reading from a teleprompte
ronald reagan in 1984 lost his train of thought if his first statement. gwen: on the pacific coast highway. >> right. and it gave rise to questions as if he was too old. this was a case that i thought from start to finish governor romney was the dominant character in the debate. he was much more forceful so in that sense its it was a much more decisive ca of seby someb losing. >> there wasn't that single moment that memorable you're no jack kennedy kind of putdown. it was very...
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the second is you basically have a bargain which ronald reagan had, which is i will lower the rates and eliminate various deductions to get down to that rate. the governor himself last night said one of the business tax deductions might well be the oil and gas tax deduction which might well disappear as a part of a process of getting to lower rates. so we've seen it done before. it was done in '86 by ronald reagan in a bipartisan manner, and i think that you would see the governor, who has worked with a very democratic legislature in massachusetts, be bipartisan but let me give you one minor example of why i think it's sometimes frustrating to get into who's telling the truth. there are no definitions by which donald trump is a small business. >> wait, wait, wait. >> none. >> can i jump in here? >> well, there is. >> he took all the time last time. >> if you're a saudi sheikh, technically donald trump's a small businessman. there's an example for you. >> before we move off of this, because i see what has happened here, is there's another sliding away. nobody's explaining how this $5 tri
the second is you basically have a bargain which ronald reagan had, which is i will lower the rates and eliminate various deductions to get down to that rate. the governor himself last night said one of the business tax deductions might well be the oil and gas tax deduction which might well disappear as a part of a process of getting to lower rates. so we've seen it done before. it was done in '86 by ronald reagan in a bipartisan manner, and i think that you would see the governor, who has...
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political activist and author of barack obama ronald reagan and the ghost of dr. king, kevin powell, thank you both for your time tonight. >> it is an honor. thank you. >> eliot: dna evidence freed an innocent person from jail for the 300th time. i'll talk to a member of the innocence project coming up. it says a lot about you. ♪ ♪ in a deep, hemi-rumble sort of way. guts. glory. ram. >> eliot: my own debate experience with glenn beck. that's ahead on my view. later tonight in "the war room," governor jennifer granholm will find out if last night's debate changed the trajectory of the swing state and national polls with stat maven and nate silver when he brings his latest analysis into "the war room." that's later tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. more "viewpoint" coming up ahead. the powerful my steal an election but they cannot steal democracy. >> eliot: tuesday night at the fillmore auditorium in denver, i have the unique experience of debating glenn beck. for me, this was like waiting until the belly -- wading in the belly of the beast and the several hundred
political activist and author of barack obama ronald reagan and the ghost of dr. king, kevin powell, thank you both for your time tonight. >> it is an honor. thank you. >> eliot: dna evidence freed an innocent person from jail for the 300th time. i'll talk to a member of the innocence project coming up. it says a lot about you. ♪ ♪ in a deep, hemi-rumble sort of way. guts. glory. ram. >> eliot: my own debate experience with glenn beck. that's ahead on my view. later...
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the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for the president. there's no one scorecard for determining who won and who lost last night, but a consensus does seem to be emerging. ross perot, the star of the night because no one knew what to expect. bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >
the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for...
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the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a deba
the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's...
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that will take you right to a page for ronald reagan vs. jimmy carter. the commercials are 30 seconds or a minute that they summarize what was going on in the campaign to tell us what the main issues are. they were not intended to last as a historical record or if you look at years and years later. these are really important historical archives. >> these were made for the obama campaign. >> a democratic cookie cutter. >> what you see behind us is just a sampling of some of the material that we collected from the last two conventions. >> it is on a table in a room that is our reference collection. full complete collection of the record for american politics and it goes back to george washington. >> this whole row of materials is made up of campaign buttons. this is from the mckinley campaign from 1896 until 1900. >> every four years ago out on the campaign trail and rebuild it out with contemporary material. >> some of these were passed by a local delegation. you go to the local primaries and we go to the national convention. it is the buttons, the poster
that will take you right to a page for ronald reagan vs. jimmy carter. the commercials are 30 seconds or a minute that they summarize what was going on in the campaign to tell us what the main issues are. they were not intended to last as a historical record or if you look at years and years later. these are really important historical archives. >> these were made for the obama campaign. >> a democratic cookie cutter. >> what you see behind us is just a sampling of some of the...
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the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's the beef? >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> where's the beef? >> you were home watching tv with your girlfriend and saw this ad. >> yeah. i saw the ad. my girlfriend said to me, that reminds me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden, it clicked. >> this is not polling, just a comment from a girlfriend. >> that's right. >> you probably liked her too much. >> no, no. i didn't actually. that triggered in my mind something that made some sense, we could put on the next poll. we put it on a poll, it tested well. >> so mondale used it in a deba
the tagline is, re-elect ronald reagan. i said, are you kidding me that? that is blatant, blatant and good. you may think it's corny, but let's face it, you think everything's corny, okay, but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of monitoring you make in a campaign. one is an intellectual argument and one is an emotional argument. >> when beckle ran mondale's campaign, he saw this ad. >> where's...
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political activist and author of barack obama ronald reagan and the ghost of dr. king, kevin powell, thank you both for your time tonight. >> it is an honor. thank you. >> eliot: dna evidence freed an innocent person from jail for the 300th time. i'll talk to a member of the innocence project coming up. jack you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn... giada... really good. yes! [ jack ] ...and alicia. ♪ this girl is on fire ♪ [ male announcer ] use any citi card to get the benefits of private pass. more concerts, more events more experiences. [ jack ] hey, who's boring now? [ male announcer ] get more access with the citi card. [ crowd cheering, mouse clicks ] >> eliot: my own debate experience with glenn beck. that's ahead on my view. later tonight in "the war room," governor jennifer granholm will find out if last night's debate changed the trajectory of the swing state and national polls with stat maven and nate silver when he
political activist and author of barack obama ronald reagan and the ghost of dr. king, kevin powell, thank you both for your time tonight. >> it is an honor. thank you. >> eliot: dna evidence freed an innocent person from jail for the 300th time. i'll talk to a member of the innocence project coming up. jack you're a little boring. boring. boring. [ jack ] after lauren broke up with me, i went to the citi private pass page and decided to be...not boring. that's how i met marilyn......
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. >>> en 1984 el presidente ronald reagan tenía 73 años de edad y había muchas dudas de su capacidad de soportra las presiones de un cargo tan difícil, reagan dijo que no quería convertir el tema de la edad en un tema de campaña para resaltar la juventud e inexperiencia de su rival ♪. >>> la famosa avenida pensilvania en washington está abandonada es la vía que conecta al capitolio con la casa blanca, es la avenida por donde desfilan los presidentes después de tomar posesión pero los acta activistas dicen que está en peligro de extinción porque las fuentes no echan agua, bancos están rotos y luces que no prenden. >>> expertos dicen que si continúa el lento crecimiento de la población en estados unidos, pronto habrán más ancianos que niños y esto puede causar problemas en un futuro. >>> la tasa de natalidad en estados unidos bajó por cuarto año consecutivo, en primer lugar en las madres hispanas, en este grupo la tasa bajo 6% más que las afroamericanos y blancas no hispanas. >>> hemos visto que la economía tiene mucho que ver con esto, la gente ve que mientras má
. >>> en 1984 el presidente ronald reagan tenía 73 años de edad y había muchas dudas de su capacidad de soportra las presiones de un cargo tan difícil, reagan dijo que no quería convertir el tema de la edad en un tema de campaña para resaltar la juventud e inexperiencia de su rival ♪. >>> la famosa avenida pensilvania en washington está abandonada es la vía que conecta al capitolio con la casa blanca, es la avenida por donde desfilan los presidentes después de tomar...
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that ronald reagan moment. that, you know, quip no one was anticipating that seems to sort of, you know, grab the public attention. it can be for good or ill. for both of the candidates the challenge is really to be relaxed enough to get the message across in a way but not so loose you trip over your tongue and cause yourself harm. candidly it's mitt romney who has had the problem in the appearances lately. in that regard, i think if he makes it through without doing anything like that, that alope puts him in game. >> bret: one thing you watch is the dynamic between the two. what is not spoken. just body language, kind of the interaction. what do r you looking for in the first 30 minutes let's say? >> we have never seen them together on a stage. they met once or twice before. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. we can think of one debate where the body language between the two candidates made a difference. bush versus gore, gore acted supercilious and condescending toward governor bush. it played ba
that ronald reagan moment. that, you know, quip no one was anticipating that seems to sort of, you know, grab the public attention. it can be for good or ill. for both of the candidates the challenge is really to be relaxed enough to get the message across in a way but not so loose you trip over your tongue and cause yourself harm. candidly it's mitt romney who has had the problem in the appearances lately. in that regard, i think if he makes it through without doing anything like that, that...
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[laughter] it is a miracle that ronald reagan, one of 49 states without fox news, rush limbaugh out, and sean hannity, drudge report, the network's dominant and "the new york times" at "the washington post" ascended ent. poor mitt romney, done by some conspiracy out of a settlement in falls church? [laughter] >> reagan was unique and a political actor unlike any we have seen. putting mitt romney against him is not a fair standard. he is not a great campaigner. i happen to think he would be a good position, but he is not a great campaigner. on the polls, evan is right. if 90% are pointing in one direction, is probably true. but you have to apply a formula when you decide to was going to be likely to show. if you apply the model of the 2008 electorate, you get one result, which is highly pressure obama. but if you say the electorate would look -- and the pro obama. but if you say the electorate looks more like 2004, then the race is even. it is not a conspiracy, it is a question of which way to model the electorate and which way is going to break down on election day. >> we have a deba
[laughter] it is a miracle that ronald reagan, one of 49 states without fox news, rush limbaugh out, and sean hannity, drudge report, the network's dominant and "the new york times" at "the washington post" ascended ent. poor mitt romney, done by some conspiracy out of a settlement in falls church? [laughter] >> reagan was unique and a political actor unlike any we have seen. putting mitt romney against him is not a fair standard. he is not a great campaigner. i happen...
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that is what happened to ronald reagan in 1984 debate with walter mondale. it overran the persona of ronald reagan. next debate he was much more relaxed. roger ails did a great job preparing him and did much better job. same thing with governor romney. he has to know how to answer the questions but he has to be relaxed and rely on himself. one of the things i tell candidates it's very important that they have the good political judgment to make decisions and think on their feet rather than rely on script. >> give me one thing that you think we ought to look for out of mitt romney and one thing out of obama in this debate coming up on wednesday. >>> i think one of the -- apart from the economy, i do think one thing we should be looking for is to see if the president is willing to talk about his record on the economy and defend it. the american people ought to be making a judgment whether or not the president can defend that record. he ought to be looking for governor romney how well he press the case against the president. it's been his failure to lead on the
that is what happened to ronald reagan in 1984 debate with walter mondale. it overran the persona of ronald reagan. next debate he was much more relaxed. roger ails did a great job preparing him and did much better job. same thing with governor romney. he has to know how to answer the questions but he has to be relaxed and rely on himself. one of the things i tell candidates it's very important that they have the good political judgment to make decisions and think on their feet rather than rely...
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reagan y jimmy , pero ronald reagan ganó de forma aplastante, pero las encuestas importantes son el camino que lleva este gobierno en relación con la política económica, y con relación a la economía y el rumbo que llegamos y un presidente que no llega al 50% de aprobación nunca ha sido reelegido en estados unidos, pero estas no están científicamente, y le combiene los debates ¿o es un riesgo frente a mitt romney? . >> es que ahí es cuando se marca más entre los dos canditatos en temas importantes para el país, como economía, impuestos, educación y bueno, esto es alentador para nosotros, demuestra que el pueblo está bajando y mitt romney que solo se enfoca en ayudar al 1% más rico de país. >> es que esta tratando de convertir esto en un referendo y a medida que hace esto, los números para barack obama mejoran, el presidente está hablando de mover hacia adelante. >> yo espero, que sean debates sobre economía y bueno, eso es lo importante en un gran sentido y un referéndum son 46 meses, por encima del 8% y yo espero que sea una conversación y el presidente ha habl
reagan y jimmy , pero ronald reagan ganó de forma aplastante, pero las encuestas importantes son el camino que lleva este gobierno en relación con la política económica, y con relación a la economía y el rumbo que llegamos y un presidente que no llega al 50% de aprobación nunca ha sido reelegido en estados unidos, pero estas no están científicamente, y le combiene los debates ¿o es un riesgo frente a mitt romney? . >> es que ahí es cuando se marca más entre los dos canditatos...
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the tag line is reelect ronald reagan. i said are you kidding me that is blatant, blatant and good. >> you may think it's corny. >> you think everything is corny. but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of arguments you make in a campaign. one is intellectual and one is emotional. >> when beckel ran mondale's campaign they saw this wendy's ad. >> wendy's was trying to convince people their hamburgers had more beef. >> some hamburger places give you a lot less beef on the bun. >> you were watching tv with your girlfriend and saw the ad. >> i saw the ad and the girlfriend said that remind me of gary hart. what's he all about? all of a sudden it clicked. >> that's not polling that's a comment from a girl. >> that triggered in my mind something that made some sense we could put in the next poll. pe wut it on a poem that testpo tested well. >> where is the beef? >> spent $100 million on an ad campaign. >> it worked? it made a difference? >> it changed th
the tag line is reelect ronald reagan. i said are you kidding me that is blatant, blatant and good. >> you may think it's corny. >> you think everything is corny. but if you can get an image like that it really matters. >> ed rollins was reagan's campaign manager. >> two kinds of arguments you make in a campaign. one is intellectual and one is emotional. >> when beckel ran mondale's campaign they saw this wendy's ad. >> wendy's was trying to convince people...
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reagan during the last recession when they was a huge increase in government spending to get out of that recession and guess what it worked because that's how economics works we had a huge buildup in our defense budget a necessary one because we had a progressive president as carter who had unilaterally disarmed this country the same way this president had it that's absolutely look i think course is right about the the dates you can move i believe a look at this study they moved what happened in two thousand and nine. with the stimulus package which was well three quarters are you sollars the two thousand and nine year of two thousand and nine was the last bush budget yes but in the in the while you had no say in the way that the congressional budget office scores these things. the stimulus package that barack obama signed into law in two thousand and nine is a part of the judea allison on budget budget and so in this particular study it's given to bush with a bigger there's a bigger question here which is spending by not not budgetary spending but non budgetary spending spending on
reagan during the last recession when they was a huge increase in government spending to get out of that recession and guess what it worked because that's how economics works we had a huge buildup in our defense budget a necessary one because we had a progressive president as carter who had unilaterally disarmed this country the same way this president had it that's absolutely look i think course is right about the the dates you can move i believe a look at this study they moved what happened...